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		<title>By: Spiv</title>
		<link>http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/05/03/on-moderate-religions/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What am I doing about my opinions on the matter? Nada. Not sure what I would do either. I'm buddhist, white as it gets, and most don't even take me seriously if I mention it. I'm pretty sure everyone assumes I'm some form of protestant christian no matter what I tell them. Furthermore I'm not really out to push it; I'm happy where I'm at, and when some bit of dharmacakra would benefit a friend I mention it to them (with no mention if its sources, because they might think it's some "pagan" crazy if they thought it came from a non-christian religion). 

I guess science I treat pretty casually too- if someone is having a conversation about it (such as some creationist hit-piece) I present the facts to them in a reasoned and logical way. I'm guessing as a result most of them don't bring up the topic around me, but little I can do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What am I doing about my opinions on the matter? Nada. Not sure what I would do either. I&#8217;m buddhist, white as it gets, and most don&#8217;t even take me seriously if I mention it. I&#8217;m pretty sure everyone assumes I&#8217;m some form of protestant christian no matter what I tell them. Furthermore I&#8217;m not really out to push it; I&#8217;m happy where I&#8217;m at, and when some bit of dharmacakra would benefit a friend I mention it to them (with no mention if its sources, because they might think it&#8217;s some &#8220;pagan&#8221; crazy if they thought it came from a non-christian religion). </p>
<p>I guess science I treat pretty casually too- if someone is having a conversation about it (such as some creationist hit-piece) I present the facts to them in a reasoned and logical way. I&#8217;m guessing as a result most of them don&#8217;t bring up the topic around me, but little I can do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Elyard</title>
		<link>http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/05/03/on-moderate-religions/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Elyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 07:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So what is everybody else doing about their opinions on this issue?"

Typing.  (I can afford no other level of involvement, since I'm doing nothing but treading water for the foreseeable future.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what is everybody else doing about their opinions on this issue?&#8221;</p>
<p>Typing.  (I can afford no other level of involvement, since I&#8217;m doing nothing but treading water for the foreseeable future.)</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/05/03/on-moderate-religions/#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past ten years, I've worked exclusively in religious schools. As an atheist, demonstrating a non-aggressive, non-dogmatic model of what an atheist is, working with teachers of the faith. Islamic, Anglican, Catholic, Methodist and Presbyterian schools. I graduated from a Catholic university, returned there to gain my M.Ed.

For the past eight years, I've worked on promoting and investigating 'philosophy for children', the international program that is more recently being tested for gains in IQ and behavioral improvements.

Now I write for the overarching body for education, with a philosophy and ethics course, having co-written the model for the compulsory program which introduces students to skepticism. I help train teachers in both non-profit and education department courses in how to deliver such programs. I use skeptical material in my materials, based upon an awards project but using it in non-science classes, to demonstrate cross-curricular application.

My dissertation and future research is on anomalistic beliefs in the younger years. Ascertaining to what part influence of the media plays in this is a part of my research.

Never heard of me, huh? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past ten years, I&#8217;ve worked exclusively in religious schools. As an atheist, demonstrating a non-aggressive, non-dogmatic model of what an atheist is, working with teachers of the faith. Islamic, Anglican, Catholic, Methodist and Presbyterian schools. I graduated from a Catholic university, returned there to gain my M.Ed.</p>
<p>For the past eight years, I&#8217;ve worked on promoting and investigating &#8216;philosophy for children&#8217;, the international program that is more recently being tested for gains in IQ and behavioral improvements.</p>
<p>Now I write for the overarching body for education, with a philosophy and ethics course, having co-written the model for the compulsory program which introduces students to skepticism. I help train teachers in both non-profit and education department courses in how to deliver such programs. I use skeptical material in my materials, based upon an awards project but using it in non-science classes, to demonstrate cross-curricular application.</p>
<p>My dissertation and future research is on anomalistic beliefs in the younger years. Ascertaining to what part influence of the media plays in this is a part of my research.</p>
<p>Never heard of me, huh? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/05/03/on-moderate-religions/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &#38; thanks. Glad you enjoy my stuff.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Sam Harris is right, and wrong. He’s right that moderate religious groups give cover to fundamentalists. He’s wrong to say that they do it by honoring their holy books. They do it by failing to oppose exremists. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with this 100%. And, thankfully, some Christian authors and churches &lt;i&gt;are &lt;/i&gt;starting to oppose extremists. I'm working on a post about this very topic, and I must say I'm relieved to see it happening. Alas the media does not give these people enough exposure. Which leads to...

BTW, I didn't say "mainstream media,"  I just said "media." The things I mentioned happen on blogs and the internet and in 'zines and many places that I would not consider MSM. That said, your 3 points are completely valid and I agree with them. At least in the US, mainstream media has turned largely into what I call "infotainment" and whatever is the most sensational, outlandish, and ridiculous gets air time, even when it is not representative of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &amp; thanks. Glad you enjoy my stuff.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think Sam Harris is right, and wrong. He’s right that moderate religious groups give cover to fundamentalists. He’s wrong to say that they do it by honoring their holy books. They do it by failing to oppose exremists. </p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with this 100%. And, thankfully, some Christian authors and churches <i>are </i>starting to oppose extremists. I&#8217;m working on a post about this very topic, and I must say I&#8217;m relieved to see it happening. Alas the media does not give these people enough exposure. Which leads to&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;mainstream media,&#8221;  I just said &#8220;media.&#8221; The things I mentioned happen on blogs and the internet and in &#8216;zines and many places that I would not consider MSM. That said, your 3 points are completely valid and I agree with them. At least in the US, mainstream media has turned largely into what I call &#8220;infotainment&#8221; and whatever is the most sensational, outlandish, and ridiculous gets air time, even when it is not representative of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: ekzept</title>
		<link>http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/05/03/on-moderate-religions/#comment-1527</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used to believe in a god, even although i was scientific and scientifically oriented. my search took me all over the place, even through a conversion to a new faith. all faiths had problems.  despite some of their claims of being rational, they all have a point where they &lt;em&gt;stop questioning their own past and history&lt;/em&gt; and accept what they want to hear.  if they cannot deal honestly with their own history, i can't expect them to deal with any question more difficult.

besides, nothing helped the yearning.  my greatest peace came when i stopped looking, and embraced a random, "pointless" universe, and went back to the core of how i saw things, through science and mathematics, jettisoning the spiritual in any of its forms.  because of the practices of some people who called themselves &lt;em&gt;atheists&lt;/em&gt;, i am not comfortable calling myself that.  i refer to myself as a &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;materialist&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;, as that about places me correctly.

as for moderate religions, i think they should be just ignored, and people should be encouraged to ignore them.  i mean, they oughtn't be "saved" and their people oughtn't be "saved", nor should anyone try.  if people want to know about mathematics or science or statistics, fine, teach them.  IMO, questions of religion and the sort oughtn't be dealt with.  trying to do so achieves nothing.  people don't even look at their macroeconomy objectively, and they can't be saved from the consequences of their decisions.  if this or some other country makes decisions based upon ideology or reading tea leaves, they are responsible adults, they are choosing their future that way.  eventually, a bad choice will be made, and i'll suffer from it, my kids will suffer from it.  you can point it out, but as soon as they bring up these values, they've stopped listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i used to believe in a god, even although i was scientific and scientifically oriented. my search took me all over the place, even through a conversion to a new faith. all faiths had problems.  despite some of their claims of being rational, they all have a point where they <em>stop questioning their own past and history</em> and accept what they want to hear.  if they cannot deal honestly with their own history, i can&#8217;t expect them to deal with any question more difficult.</p>
<p>besides, nothing helped the yearning.  my greatest peace came when i stopped looking, and embraced a random, &#8220;pointless&#8221; universe, and went back to the core of how i saw things, through science and mathematics, jettisoning the spiritual in any of its forms.  because of the practices of some people who called themselves <em>atheists</em>, i am not comfortable calling myself that.  i refer to myself as a <strong><em>materialist</em></strong>, as that about places me correctly.</p>
<p>as for moderate religions, i think they should be just ignored, and people should be encouraged to ignore them.  i mean, they oughtn&#8217;t be &#8220;saved&#8221; and their people oughtn&#8217;t be &#8220;saved&#8221;, nor should anyone try.  if people want to know about mathematics or science or statistics, fine, teach them.  IMO, questions of religion and the sort oughtn&#8217;t be dealt with.  trying to do so achieves nothing.  people don&#8217;t even look at their macroeconomy objectively, and they can&#8217;t be saved from the consequences of their decisions.  if this or some other country makes decisions based upon ideology or reading tea leaves, they are responsible adults, they are choosing their future that way.  eventually, a bad choice will be made, and i&#8217;ll suffer from it, my kids will suffer from it.  you can point it out, but as soon as they bring up these values, they&#8217;ve stopped listening.</p>
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